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Powerline Interview (1970)

by Larry Norman

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​Powerline [Tag] Music of the day for the day's generation. In the next half hour you'll hear the top contemporary records of the day, the ones you've pushed to the top of the charts. There'll also be comments on what life is really all about, the way life really is in relation to our fellow man and the world today, and I'm your host Lee Randall [Spoken by host] Powerline [Tag] ​​Na na na na na na na na Na na na na na na nada na ​Na na na na na na na na Na na na na na na nada na na When you know a pretty story You don't let it go unsaid You tell it to your children As you tuck them into bed And when you know a wonderful secret You tell it to your friends Because a lifetime filled with happiness Is like a street that never ends Look around you as you sing it There are people everywhere And to those who stop to listen Your sweet song becomes a prayer 'Cause when you know a wonderful secret You tell it to your friends Tell them that a lifetime filled with Jesus Is like a street that never ends Alright co' co' co' sing that sweet sweet song of salvation And let the laughter fill [The music continues but with reduced volume, and Larry talks over the top] My song of salvation of course is Jesus and it's been a sweet song to me and to most people that I know. It's my faith that made me interested in singing just about Jesus and it's my interest in the freedom and the, the good life that God gives us, it wants me to encourage other people to follow God, find happiness [Spoken by Larry] Sing that sweet sweet song of salvation (Sing that sweet sweet song of salvation) Sing, sweet sweet song of salvation Tell all your friends about it (Sing that sweet sweet song of salvation) Sing that sweet, sweet sweet song To every man and every nation Sing that [Music returns to full volume] Sweet sweet song of salvation (Salvation) And let the people know that Jesus cares (Sing that sweet sweet song of salvation) Sing it, sing it, sing it, sing it, sing out Sing out, only if you mean it ​(Sing that) [On start of following track]
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​(Sing that) [End of preceding track] Powerline [Tag] ​Nothing really changes Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die [x2] If we could live in Shakespeare's days I wonder who we'd be If people then could live today I wonder who we'd see They'd prob'ly stop a corner cop And ask what the whole world's coming to If people then could live today I wonder what they'd do Yes I wonder what they'd do Would Romeo and Juliet watch Nelson Eddy kiss Jeanette Would Bacchus read Police Gazette And window peep at silhouettes Would Caesar pay to see the Mets Would Icarus join the jet set Would Satan smoke menthol cigarettes Would Samson razor with Gilette Bi di dip'n bow Nothing really changes Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die Unless we love the Lord (Nothing really changes) Nothing really changes Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die Would Henry the eighth use etiquette In a busy New York luncheonette Would Cleopatra die when bit Or save herself with a tourniquet Would Beethoven join a jazz quartet Would Ben Hur drive a blue Corvette Would Aristotle be an acid head Would Cain kill Abel with a bayonet, ah (Nothing really changes) Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die Unless we love the Lord (Nothing [Continues on following track with reduced volume] ​Really changes) Nothing really changes Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die Nothing really changes Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die [x2] Unless we love the Lord (Nothing really changes) Everything remains the same (We are what we are till the day that we die) Till the day that we die I'm gonna sing it to you one more time now (Nothing really changes) Everything remains the same (We are what we are till the day that we die) Till the day that we die-ah-ah (Nothing really changes Everything remains the same Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die) (Nothing really changes Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die
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[Music continues from the preceding track with reduced volume] ​Really changes) Nothing really changes Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die Nothing really changes Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die [x2] Unless we love the Lord (Nothing really changes) Everything remains the same (We are what we are till the day that we die) Till the day that we die I'm gonna sing it to you one more time now (Nothing really changes) Everything remains the same (We are what we are till the day that we die) Till the day that we die-ah-ah (Nothing really changes Everything remains the same Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die) (Nothing really changes Everything remains the same We are what we are till the day that we die Larry, you call this one Nothing Really Changes and the line I hung up on was we are what we are until the day we die. Isn't there any hope? [Spoken by host] There's a saying that we learn nothing from history except the fact that we never learn anything from history. This is kind of a cyclical view from the Greek viewpoint that man doesn't change. Well they were right, man doesn't change, but I inserted a line unless we love the Lord. That's what I don't want you to overlook in this song is that if we love the Lord we are not limited to what we are until the day we die. God changes all of our interests and God changes our possibilities, we're not limited to, to follow old patterns set up by previous relations [Spoken by Larry] Unless we love the Lord. Okay I'll buy that [Spoken by host] I'm not sure when I began to love the Lord but I know he began to love me long before I, I figured out where some of that love is coming from. About three or four years ago I just quit everything I was interested in because I realised I was frustrated doing things my way. And God, if you can do 'em a little better it's your turn, 'cause I give up. That's k' how it happened [Spoken by Larry] Larry Norman will have a lot more observations on this edition of Powerline. If you'd like a free copy of this Powerline script containing Larry's philosophy just write Powerline, Box 341, Fort Worth, Texas, 76101. Ask for script number twenty five. We'll be back with more Larry Norman and his music in one minute [Spoken by host] Powerline [Tag]
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Ha Ha World 02:27
'ine [End of tag] He calls it Ha Ha World and unless you really listen you'll think Larry Norman is putting us on [Spoken by host] ​Ha ha world Every day I used to write you a letter But you never wrote back And you never made me feel any better Always sat in here Fretting and getting confused Halfway desperate For a headline of hope in the news When the telephone rang I spilled it all over my sweater Oh yeah Would I have hung up the phone had I known The whole room would start swaying (Ha ha world, ha ha world) I was instantly cold And I knew why my life wasn't paying (Ha ha world, ha ha world) I had money and fame But my wealth wasn't wise What good are the coins on a dead man's eyes And the ringing of chimes in my head Said it's time to start praying Oh oh yeah oh I’ve been sitting here praying And laying up treasures in heaven (Ha ha world, ha ha world) I was home and the front door was locked When the clock struck eleven (Ha ha world, ha ha world) I heard the bride outside yell millennium Though the sun was still up The twelfth hour has come The bible says Without a vision the people perish ​​[Continues on following track with reduced volume]
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[Music continues from the preceding track with reduced volume] ​Larry why don't you explain your underlying thought in Ha Ha World? [Spoken by host] A man organises his life the way he thinks it's best and he goes through his life and at the end of a, a portion of his life he discovers he's not happy. Perhaps he discovers God. In this case in Ha Ha World he discovers God and he discovers that without a vision the people perish, without God the world can't hope to find peace [Spoken by Larry] ​Powerline [Tag]
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Line [Tag end, continued from preceding track] You've all seen reproductions of Da Vinci's painting of The Last Supper. Larry Norman paints it differently [Spoken by host] ​​There was a pig on the table With a fig in his mouth And a snake crawled around the plate And when the wine turned to water And the bread turned to dust I knew I'd arrived too late It was the last supper A seven course meal for the soul It was the last supper But I was the last to know I saw my name in a book That lay in front of the veil With a key in between the pages And when I unlocked the door I found a hall full of mirrors And I saw my life in stages It was the last supper And a snake crawled around the plate It was the last supper And I knew I'd arrived too late Ah ah ah ah ah ah Ah ah ah Last night I came to the gate With invitation in hand And my old life left behind I came as soon as he called But long before I had planned Still I came prepared to dine It was the last supper And a snake crawled around the plate It was the [Music continues on next track, at reduced volume] ​last supper And I knew I'd arrived too late
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[Music continues from the preceding track with reduced volume] ​Last supper And I knew I'd arrived too late ​Larry, you've put together some pretty weird and somewhat scary lyrics there. What's it all about? [Spoken by host] I know what it means to me Lee, but everyone who hears the song comes up and they tell me what the song means to them and they've all got a different story. Perhaps this is eh, one of those art pieces like a, a crazy painting on the wall and everyone says the painting means something else. To me The Last Supper is about a man who thinks he's going to heaven because he's decided who God is and he's made up all his own rules and he's chosen his own lifestyle, but when he dies and he's called into the eternity he finds out that the rules were a little different than he thought they were. He didn't choose to look into God's plan of salvation, he chose to save himself in his own way [Spoken by Larry] You say he didn't follow the rules? [Spoken by host] Yeah. The rules were set down long ago when the spikes went in the wood. The word rules doesn't seem to fit the way I react toward situations. Well I don't believe we live under the law, we live now under grace and through faith. That doesn't destroy the law, if anything it fulfils the law and goes beyond it. I don't, I don't try to, to keep a set of rules in my pocket. If I come in situation I pray and God hands out the rules, or hands out the grace and the faith [Spoken by Larry] That was Larry Norman and this is Powerline. I'm Lee Randall and we'll be back in precisely one minute with more of Larry Norman and his music [Spoken by host] Powerline​​ [Tag]
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'ine​​ [Tag end, continued from preceding track] Larry Norman says forget your hexagram [Spoken by host] ​Forget your hexagram, you'll soon feel fine Stop looking at the stars You don't live under the signs Don't mess with gypsies Or have your fortune read Keep your table on the floor And don't you listen to the dead You can't a-hitchhike your way to heaven The devil's closed the roads You live once and you die once with no Re-incarnate episodes You can't hitchhike to heaven Or get there by just being good The rules were set down long ago When the spikes went in the wood Forget your hexagram, you'll soon feel fine An' stop looking at the stars You don't live under the signs Don't mess with gypsies Or have your fortune read Keep your table on the floor And don't you listen to the dead You can't hitchhike your way to heaven The devil's closed the roads You live once and you die once with no Re-incarnate episodes You can't hitchhike to heaven Or get there by just being good The rules were set down long ago When the spikes went in the wood
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[Music continues from the preceding track with reduced volume] Larry, in your entire new album this is the only song which has lyrics that tell the people that they may be going in the wrong direction [Spoken by host] Yeah, that's right Lee. Forget Your Hexagram is a suggestion to people to not put their faith in hexagrams or gypsies or fortune tellers or astrology, but to put their faith in God. And if the stars are correct at all, it would be because God fixed them perfectly in the sky. So if you believe in astrology, forget it, go beyond, go to the source of the stars, go to God [Spoken by Larry] Well that makes sense to me Larry. And we need to pause from our visit with you right now for another Powerline feature that also makes sense. Loads of people write our Powerline problem panel with their troubles looking for solutions and their questions that need answers. All their letters get quick replies but we use a letter on the show each week that we believe to be helpful to many of our listeners as well as the writer. So here's Powerline's letter reader, Alicia Carlson [Spoken by host] Lee, here's a pretty typical letter. It's from a seventeen year old guy who is going steady with a girl, nineteen. They began going steady about a year ago and the thing went great until about two months ago when the fussing, fighting and screaming between them started. They have lots of differences of opinion, and their parents also have differences of opinion concerning them and their going steady. They always kiss and make up but it isn't long until the next crisis starts. What should they do? [Spoken by second host] Well I would recommend dueling swords, boxing gloves or wet noodles at ten paces. Well no, I'm just kidding, but it really is a problem, not only with them but lots of other couples too. What did the panel reply Alicia? [Spoken by host] The panel predicts that these differences of opinion between them are the first indications of a breach that will split them apart. She is probably getting critical and edgy because she's nineteen and he's seventeen. They met each other's needs for a while but with her rapid maturity, as girls do before boys, she's finding a deficiency in what he can offer her. Also, her being in college is broadening her scope and the older fellows are showing up and emphasising his shortcomings. It isn't his fault, but that's just the way things are in life At this point a two year differential in age is a wide gap, and if they were in their thirties or forties it would be nothing. If he were nineteen and she were seventeen, in maturity they would be about the same age. So he might as well recognise the problem and face the fact that he's going to lose her. It isn't easy and it hurts, but it will be a lot easier to break it off now than to go ahead and fuss and fight for a longer period and then split. The panel hopes that this makes sense to him and to her too [Spoken by second host] Hey that's a beautiful answer and I can say from experience it's good advice. If you want some good advice, an answer to your question or a solution for your problem, just put it on paper and send it to Powerline, Box 341, Fort Worth, Texas 76101. Remember to use the zip code and your letter'll get here twice as fast. Powerline, Box 341, Fort Worth, Texas 76101. Every letter gets a prompt, personal reply [Spoken by host] ​Powerline [Tag]
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Line​​ [Tag end, continued from preceding track] Here's one I really like Larry. It's got a strange title, Walking Backward Down The Stairs [Spoken by host] ​Walking backwards down the stairs Trying to get higher How can I get anywhere Walking backwards down the stairs Watching life elude me Slipping through my grasp Oh I know the truth at last But to reach the top I've got to stop from Walking backwards down the stairs Trying to get higher How can I get anywhere Walking backwards down the stairs People stop to watch me Wonder what I'm doing What direction I'm pursuing I pretend I'm free but actually I'm Walking backwards down the stairs Trying to get higher, higher How can I get anywhere Walking backwards down the stairs
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Well looks like it's time for Larry Norman to elaborate again [Spoken by host] You can walk backwards up the stairs, you can walk any way you want to on the staircase. But if you want the happiness and the fullness you've gotta walk up the stairs facing forward with your eyes on God. Most people walk through life, they go in one direction but the never reach that goal. They might as well be walking backwards down the stairs trying to get higher, trying to go up the stairs but they're walking the wrong way [Spoken by Larry] Can a person walk backwards up the stairs? [Spoken by host] One can walk on the staircase any way he wants to but to be happy you gotta walk forwards up the stairs and keep your eyes on God [Spoken by Larry] ​This is a reminder that if you'd like a free copy of Larry Norman's comments on today's Powerline, just write Powerline, Box 341, Fort Worth, Texas 76101 and ask for script number twenty five. We'll flash back in just sixty ticks for more Larry Norman, and more of his music from his new album Upon This Rock [Spoken by host] ​Powerline [Tag]
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It's Larry Norman, singing to us that you can't take away the Lord [Spoken by host] ​You can take away my kids Take away my wife You can take away my job You can take away my life You can take away my house Take away my Ford But you can't take away the Lord Now listen Satan You just can't take away the church Or the bible book Unless you wanna waste your time You better take a second look 'Cause you can't take away my shield Can't take away my sword And you can't take away the Lord Well he made me and he saved me, ba ba ba And I follow after Everywhere he leads There's peace and laughter Laughing in the spirit Listen and you'll hear it You can take away the pill And the atom bomb Take away Einstein's theories And the things all yet to come You could'a took away the wheel With the dinosaur But you can't take away the Lord, oh no Well he made me and he saved me, ba ba ba ba-ow And I follow after Everywhere he leads There's peace and laughter Laughing in the spirit Listen and you'll ​[Music continues on the next track, at reduced volume] Hear it You can take away the pill And the atom bomb Take away Einstein's theories And the things all yet to come You could'a took away the wheel With the dinosaur But you can't take away the Lord Na na na no you'll never take away My sweet reward 'Cause you can't take away the Lord​
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[Music continues from the preceding track with reduced volume] Hear it You can take away the pill And the atom bomb Take away Einstein's theories And the things all yet to come You could'a took away the wheel With the dinosaur But you can't take away the Lord Na na na no you'll never take away My sweet reward 'Cause you can't take away the Lord​ Nobody can take God away from you, is that right [Spoken by host] ​I mean that no one can take God from you except you yourself, because you have the power to accept or reject. You can take away my car, my kids, my wife, my job. You can't take God from me. I alone have the power to reject or accept God for myself [Spoken by Larry] Thank you Larry Norman for sharing your music and thoughts with us on Powerline today [Spoken by host] Powerline [Tag] This has been Powerline, a composite of the hottest records and christian thought. If you have a problem or want a free copy of the comments on this show write Powerline, Box 341, Fort Worth, Texas. Powerline has been a cooperative program production of the Southern Baptist Church convention through its radio and television commission. Doctor Paul M Stephens director and I'm your host Lee Randall [Spoken by host] ​Powerline [Tag]

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Larry: The Powerline interview was recorded in the old-school way. Powerline sent a list of questions they wanted to ask. I went into the Capitol studios and someone read the questions to me. Then we mailed off the tapes. Powerline's interviewer recorded his voice and spliced my answers onto his questions. To make it sound personal, I was told to say his name a couple of times during my answers. I felt that this was silly because he wasn't really there but this was my first spliced interview so I tried not to cause trouble. I didn't like to do interviews, but when dealing with the press I much preferred doing interviews live where I could look the interviewer in the eyes and answer in "real time."

All songs are from the Capitol version of Upon This Rock, but edited, in mono and with Larry talking over sections of them.

This is from a 1970 radio broadcast and is sourced from the bonus disc of the Collector's Edition of Upon This Rock, released on CD in 2002.

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American musician, singer, songwriter, record label owner, and record producer. Norman had a major influence on artists as diverse as The Pixies, Guns n' Roses, and U2. After his death in 2008 his most well-known album, 1972's Only Visiting This Planet, was selected for inclusion in The United States Library of Congress for its cultural significance and impact on American culture. ... more

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